Shiny Happy People – An African American Perspective
I watched the first two episodes of Shiny Happy People documentary a few weeks ago.
Shiny Happy People is a docu-series exploring the life of the Duggar family, of the popular TV show 19 Kids and Counting, and their connection to Bill Gothard and Institute in Basic Life Principles.
The documentary reveals Bill Gothard and IBLP as a lot of things. Like, A LOT. I’m glad for the clarifying, affirming, put-life-back-in-your-soul type of conversations that have taken place online.
I debated whether to share my thoughts (wrote and scratched many drafts) because my take and processing is different from most of what I’ve seen or read so far.

Let’s start with some disclaimers.
- This article is a Growth-type idea. It is an educative piece for those desiring to learn and explore a different perspective and engage in self-reflection.
- The article is my perspective as an African American1 (See Foot Note)
Shiny Happy People: An African Perspective
I took the picture below as my husband, and I watched the documentary. The context is Gothard forbidding “outside” cultural influences and, in this case, music.

If the picture is hard to read, here’s part of what it says: “The Origin of the “Rock Beat” The characteristic offbeat in today’s rock music has been traced to the Satanic rituals in the jungles of West Africa. It was this type of drum-beat which certain tribe members were specially trained for in order to open the people to demonic control. It was used to accompany all manner of diabolical perversion and gross immorality.…“
I didn’t capture the rest of it, but to people who look like me, the excerpt in IBLP curriculum is a glimpse of the Gothard/IBLP soul. It is a soul so used to othering (see meaning) he can casually degrade a group of people – their lives, culture, spirituality2 to make a point.
The attitude has a long history.
“In his book A History of Africa, scholar J.D. Fage describes the racially based logic of European intellectuals and missionaries saying: “Mid-and late-nineteenth-century Europeans were generally convinced that their Christian, scientific and industrial society was intrinsically far superior to anything that Africa had produced” (Fage 322). Unfamiliar with the diverse cultures on the continent of Africa, European explorers viewed practices unfamiliar to them as lesser and savage…Denouncing the religious practices of Africans as witchcraft and heathenism, European nations sought to convert, and then exploit the indigenous peoples of Africa.” Source
For many who look like me, it doesn’t take much to figure out how Gothard and his organization felt about those who didn’t look like them. You of course don’t create a whole organization filled with people of European descent without reason or intentionality.
Gothardism shouldn’t be directly familiar to me.
As a Kenyan, born and raised, Gothard and IBLP shouldn’t really be directly familiar to me. But it is.
I was a young adult, right out of college, living and working in the capital city when I was introduced to a young-feeling church in the city. It was a gathering of several thousand, filled with people my age, all excited about God and evangelism. The church was founded and (is still) led by a white American missionary pastor and his wife.
For the next fourteen years, I was neck-deep in a high-control, works-based church environment. I was one of its many zealous leaders: immersed in authority/discipline/excellence/faithfulness/honor teachings, policing and repressing “self”, – from clothing to personhood – bathing in courtship and purity culture concepts, e.t.c3
I don’t know whether the missionary couple were directly influenced by Gothard and IBLP but the similarity is chilling.
Many North American Christians who watched the documentary observe similar threads between Gothard/IBLP and the wider evangelical ideologies. Those who had never heard of Gothard or IBLP suddenly discovered they had been taught or observed similar views and practices in their evangelical churches.
Shiny Happy People Documentary: Exploring Evangelicalism
As I explore evangelicalism and its roots, I wonder about the direction of influence. I’ve read articles where writers believe Gothard grew out of evangelicalism. Not the other way around.
The more I read up on European and American church history, the more I lean towards Gothard being a branch of the same old tree: He was just another wave of American evangelicalism.
Concerning the outcomes of his reach, I don’t know how many American Christians realize the same mindsets and impacts they are observing at home are the same they dispatched worldwide for missionary activities. Related: Can We Talk About the Idolization of Christian Missionaries?
I believe we ended up with Gothard’s influence in Kenya because “evangelical denominations typically sought more separation from the broader culture, emphasized missionary activity and individual conversion..” Source
And in those other cultures, the “(white) customs, culture, and beliefs….operate as the standard by which all other groups of are compared” Source
As more White Americans create space for expressing their grief and finding support and healing, I don’t know if non-white Image-bearers and their specific grief and pain is welcome. I don’t know if the harm done by white evangelicals in non-white cultures will be named and grieved and lamented, the same way harm done by white evangelicals in white culture is being named and grieved and lamented in white spaces.
What was Gothard actually Selling?
“What Gothard was selling was sort of this mythical idea of returning to a time when things were better. Better for who? It wasn’t better for the women who were getting abused by their husbands and it wasn’t getting reported. It wasn’t better for black people who didn’t have the same rights as white people. It really was better for white protestants, is what was meant by that.” (From the documentary, Episode 2.)
I was pleased when one of the interviewees/commenters finally made the observation. Unfortunately, that angle fizzled out and I haven’t watched the rest of the episodes to know if it’s picked up again.
So I loved a discussion by author Marcie Alvis Walker of Black Coffee with White Friends Instagram page, who observed: “Bill Gothard established his institute at the height of black liberation movement in the 60s. When bussing was happening. When all the fights were happening about integrating schools…When you look at this movement you see all these whiteness..and people are wondering why?”4
Well, “In the southern United States, evangelicals split from their northern counterparts on the issue of slavery, establishing new denominations that did not call for abolition of slavery. (For example, the Southern Baptist Convention was founded over the issue of slaveholders serving as foreign missionaries.)” Source
Evangelicals from the south haven’t changed their mind: here’s where they were at in 2020 (yes, the year George Floyd, a black man was murdered and his death rattled the world’s conscience) : “The denomination, overwhelmingly white and founded on tolerance for slavery, opposes any suggestion that institutional and systemic racism even exists. After the six SBC seminary presidents, all white men, released a sweeping statement in November 2020 condemning so-called critical race theory as “antithetical to the Bible..” Source
Of Whiteness Eating Itself
My husband and I watched the Hillsong documentary the same week we watched Shiny Happy People. The Hillsong documentary was more appealing for mass consumption but it was the same operating system—white-centric, male-dominated, high-dose evangelicalism with fundamentalist roots.
We observed how in both documentaries, wicked patriarchal power systems ate their own to survive. Nothing was sacred. Including their own limbs: an “erring” part was simply hacked off so the system could keep going.

The same power and control system that had sustained Carl Lentz was the same system that kicked him out when he was no longer serving its bottom line. Brian Houston was a “victim” (and I use that phrase very, very loosely) of a system he himself produced and greased, with notes from his father.
The core mindset of superiority and dominance “outlived” these men. Ultimately, they were just two more white men in a long line of men who believed they were gods, entitled to take whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted and nobody dare resist or ask questions.
There has always been a historical system and method to the madness.
Shiny Happy People Documentary: Deconstructing Gothardism and Evangelicalism
In an article titled “How to connect the dots while watching Shiny Happy People,” Rick Pidcock wrote, “Collectively watching Amazon Prime’s Shiny Happy People docuseries is foolish if we’re not willing to deconstruct the entire conservative evangelical tower of Babel it reveals.”
He was not discussing Whiteness5, but from where I stand, the“entire conservative evangelical tower of Babel” in America is made of Whiteness. Its roots, its feel, face, its drivers, culture, Christian framework, beliefs..all deeply white and patriarchal.
And so, I think anyone questioning, inspecting, and deconstructing this tower of Babel must pay attention to every inch of it. Why? Because it is (impossible?) to dwell in this siloed tower6 and have a broad understanding of how the rest of society is unlike the siloed tower.
Add to that direct teaching and ideology and lifestyle, which cement that siloed existence – which creates a limited standard for measuring the rest of the world – and you have a catch basin for sameness and blindness.
Gothard and IBLP engaged in – through curriculum and instruction, through exclusion, silence, and tolerance/participation in cruel practices – the brainwashing of others to look with disapproval and disdain (to put it mildly) people from cultures and continents they had never been or interacted with. (Example, the excerpt from IBLP curriculum.)
And it seems to me that everyone deconstructing from Gothard, IBLP, and Evangelicalism must cultivate awareness of the fact that the “evangelical tower of Babel” and all those ideologies which othered, abused, and threw them out to die is the same that had historically and systemically othered Indigenous People, Black People, and people of color.
Deconstruction by white survivors cannot not involve self-reflection in these areas that touch outside of their immediate lived experiences and communities.
Decolonizing My Faith
Decolonizing my faith from Whiteness and its values and dominant ideologies like patriarchy has been a crucial part of deconstructing my faith.
I like how N. T, a regular Facebook Commenter, framed the journey.
“I believe that decolonization of one’s perspective and mindset is essential to being able to properly deconstruct. One has to be able to see the racism built into colonized faith systems before the other issues of sexism, patriarchy, and control can occur. White people, and white survivors, can cause such harm to people …if they only see through a lens of religious abuse and not one that is aware of how colonized faith systems have been designed to abuse through racism as well. Colonization is so intimately connected with religion as a tool of control and abuse that it’s impossible to clearly see religious abuse without considering how racism impacts people. My prayer is that we will be continually searching for ways to reduce the harm we do others, first and foremost by humbling ourselves to their knowledge.” (Check out the post N.T was responding to here.)
Conclusion: Bill Gothard, IBLP, and the wider evangelical culture center Whiteness. ((white) customs, culture, and beliefs..(which) operate as the standard by which all other groups of are compared.)
I believe it’s essential for those coming out of fundamentalism and evangelicalism to decolonize and deconstruct Whiteness: If they do not, there’s a chance they will carry the same wherever they go, centering Whiteness in their healing spaces and journeys and perpetuating the isolation and harming of those who have been historically and systemically harmed.
A first step in that journey: Add our grief to your list of griefs. Name our names: Indigenous People. Black People. People of Color. Name the sins: White supremacy. Segregation. Racism. Colonialism. Slavery. Genocide.
Shiny Happy People Documentary: Resources to Help You Learn
For anyone wishing to continue learning and exploring these areas, I have a few recommendations below.
Most of these authors/scholars/non-profit founders/creators are on social media, but they also have websites, podcasts, books, courses, and services. Check them out. I’ll highlight some of the best platforms to follow on social media but check them out in all those other places as well.
- Black Coffee with White Friends (Instagram)
- Jasmine Holmes (Instagram)
- Be The Bridge (Instagram, Facebook)
- Latasha Morrison (Instagram, Facebook)
- White Girl Learning (Instagram)
- Some Thoughts from Your Black Friend/Patricia A. Taylor
- Ally Henny (Facebook)
- Equal Justice Initiative (Instagram, Facebook)
- Garrison Hayes (Instagram)
- Black Liturgies/Arthur Cole Riley (Instagram, Facebook)
- Be a King (Instagram, Facebook)
- Oh, Happy Dani (Instagram, Facebook)
- Ibram X Kendi (Facebook)
To Those Who Might Not Like What I’ve Said
I always receive pushback, mostly from white people, whenever I write about colonialism, missionaries, or racism.
To be clear: I’m not saying every person who was a part of IBLP, Bill Gothard, or evangelicalism is prejudiced against black people or people of color. I know white people who are deeply reflective, open minded and growth-oriented. They are great allies. What I’m doing is inviting people to self-reflection.
If decolonizing your faith hasn’t been on your radar and you still have a lot on your plate (the documentary was a lot), operating within your tolerance window is okay. But now that it is on your radar, consider adding it to your reflection. Check out the individuals highlighted above, and browse their pages and resources.
If this post was offensive and not something you wish to reflect on, you have that freedom. I’m just not at a place where I can engage from that view.
To everyone, and if it helps, consider how you prefer folks to engage with your traumatic or hurtful experiences. How it might feel when those around you pipe in as “neutral parties.” Or with grand reminders about the other party (the party that wounded you.) Or re-tell your story. Or believe you are unqualified to speak on the issue. Or say you are angry and “need to get over it” (never mind the harm has never stopped.) Sit a minute in that space. And consider offering the dignity you wish to receive to others.

I’ll finish up with an excerpt from This Here Flesh: Spirituality, Liberation and the Stories that Make Us, a book by Cole Arthur Riley.
“We are told that the pinnacle of piety is niceness, and we are shamed out of conflict protest, advocacy. We can cry but not too loud, our agony never allowed to disrupt the illusion of unity. I like that God doesn’t play or talk nice to the hands of injustice. What freedom it is to witness a God whose primary concern is not for how he makes the oppressor feel, but for feeling alongside the oppressed, and telling the truth about it. For so long, Black people, noosed and muzzled, have not been permitted the liberty to tell the truth about the evil we’ve endured. And now, the language of niceness and more recently, civility- serves to muzzle us further. .. Audre Lorde said, “I cannot hide my anger to spare you guilt, nor hurt feelings. . .. Guilt is not a response to anger; it is a response to one’s own actions or lack of action. If it leads to change then it can be useful, since it is then no longer guilt but the beginning of knowledge.”
FOOTNOTES
1. I titled this article An African American Perspective, but I want to be clear that I use the term “African American” literally. I’m both African (Kenyan) and American. I make the distinction because I don’t want my perspective interpreted as telling the story of those with ancestral rooting in America. For that perspective, I encourage you to follow and learn from the individuals I’ve highlighted above.
2. The African drum (“a tool for Satan,” according to Gothard in the Shiny Happy People documentary) is actually a typical musical instrument across the African continent. In my country Kenya, we play the drum in social events – weddings and marriage ceremonies, church and religious meetings, burials and wakes, political events, etc.
For those who’ve wondered, I do not practice African Spiritualism. I am unlearning the lies of colonialism, including how the British taught us to hate and erase ourselves. As someone who was part of an evangelical church that perpetuated colonial mindsets, it’s important to me to dismantle oppressive supremacist thinking that were used against me and my people and begin to honor those parts of myself that are…me.
3. Like every culture and people group on earth, we have our own problems. But as Christians, we have this gospel of Christ which is supposed to transform. But instead, and like I said in this post, evangelicalism and fundamentalism cement those parts of our unhealthy culture that we should be getting rid of.
Instead of Christ being a hope, comfort, and liberator to the vulnerable and oppressed in church, He becomes the biggest reason to keep them in prison. Toxic church makes things everything worse. And not just for women but for men too (Ps.I don’t believe things were always bad between men and women in the African culture.)
3b. Some people have asked me to share personal experiences in my evangelical church in Kenya. At this point, I’m only comfortable sharing what I have shared. For added perspective, check out this video on the outcomes of conservative evangelical influence in Uganda, Kenya’s neighbor to the West. It’s evil, despicable, and not representing Jesus.
4. Marcie Alvis Walker (Black Coffee with White Friends), an Instagram Live on Shiny Happy People documentary.
5. “White vs. whiteness: White, as a term describing people, refers to light-skinned people of European descent. “Whiteness” as an ideology derives from the historical practice of institutionalizing “white supremacy.” Beginning in at least the seventeenth century, “white” appeared as a legal term and social designator determining social and political rights. Eventually, it was used widely to decide who could vote or be enslaved or be a citizen, who could attend which schools and churches, who could marry whom, and who could drink from which water fountain. These and thousands of other legal and social regulations were built upon the fiction of a superior “white” race deserving special privileges and protections. (Jay (2005:100-101). Whiteness Studies and the Multicultural Literature Classroom. University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee)” Source
“Whiteness and white racialized identity refer to the way that white people, their customs, culture, and beliefs operate as the standard by which all other groups of people are compared.” Source
6. An illustration to help you process Happy Shiny People documentary from a non-white point of view: When we talk about Christian marriages (my usual topic in this blog), we often explore how healthy couples exist in their own little worlds, where every issue can be addressed by more strategy, skill, marriage counseling, fun dates, a new hobby, talk-to-your-mom, a better schedule for the kids, another job, healthier friendships e.t.c.
We talk about how couples in safe marriages tend to take the same approach for all other marriages. Not realizing some unions exist in a completely different universe, with a completely different set of rules and experiences. So to become a healthy ally for those residing in Planet GM X889KP for example, they have to remove Planet MK 95RB lenses.
Address their privileges, biases, philosophies, perspectives, behavior which might work great in their home planet but are woeful inadequate and downright harmful in the harmed spouses planet. Those desiring to be healthy, supportive allies to those in harming marriages must recognize they’ve lived in a silo even if they didn’t know they did and be ready to do the hard work of becoming abuse and trauma aware.
Thank you so much for sharing your perspective… I have been doing so much examination into my faith over the last decade, as a lot of the Christianity I was raised in was absolutely influenced by Gothard. Even from a young age, I felt it didn’t add up, and feel that all the more as I grow and heal mentally, spiritually, and emotionally. In my reexamination of my own personal faith in Christ, in recent years I have been disturbed to realize just how much subtle (and not so subtle) racism and whiteness was passed off as “God’s perspective” and even as virtues of Christianity. I myself have tried to distance myself from thoughts and “theologies” that place one “type” of people over another, but reading your article, I have felt so much conviction for how deep the thought process still runs in me, or how much I have never seen before. I am so thankful for your eye-opening perspective on this, and I am so humbled and saddened to see just how far we can go from Christ simply by accepting generational teachings as part of the Gospel itself, instead of seeking things out to weigh them with a just balance. Thank you, again, for this. Please know that you are helping people to see and love truly as Christ intended.
This was so good, thank you! “Whiteness” must decrease… Please continue to share your perspective, even if “we” don’t appear to be listening. God bless.
Ngina,
Kweli, amazing article. Asante! As a Kenyan of Indian origin and a Christian we’ve been saturated in the Evangelical fundamental system. I resonate with much that you write. I was also a part of the homeschool groups in Kenya but thank God, we too didn’t hear about Gothard until we came to Chicago. We were not impressed and didn’t pay much attention to it. Thank God for our growing years in India and Kenya that involved diverse, healthy experiences.
Sadly, our own people too have bought into these unhealthy structures, and undoing it is going to take some time, but I see the journey is advancing. Thank you for speaking up and writing for all! Keep up the good work. 👍 🙏 blessings!
Thank you for sharing your perspective. You might be interested in author Skeeter Wilson’s scathing critique of white missionaries in Africa (book on Amazon.) He grew up in Africa.
Thank you! Just checked him out. He actually grew up in Kenya! Thanks for the rec. Picked up his book.
Thank you, Ngina; this is a lot to chew on! I’m so white that I lean toward being pink, but Jesus has been working in my heart and mind to help me reject “whiteness” as a totally separate issue from the beautiful skin He has put me in. I recently wrote a research paper about the impact of “Christianity” on indigenous peoples in America which was both eye-opening and gut-wrenching; this was after years of extensive research on the Holocaust. As I continue to de-construct lifelong beliefs that were a big part of keeping me trapped in my own abusive marriage for 25 years, I am learning more and more about how Jesus REALLY thinks; how He REALLY feels; what He REALLY wants from – and for – His people. This, of course, requires me to look outside of my own suffering and to recognize the multi-faceted suffering of others – some of which I have almost certainly perpetuated in my ignorance. It is sobering work. The RE-construction is exciting, and you continue to be an instrumental part of my journey, Ngina. Thank you for sharing your heart on these important topics with such a unique mix of fierce Truth, inspiring intelligence, and gentle humility.
The Jude 3 project is excellent. Worth adding it to resources.
Having attended Gothard’s seminar, about 20 minutes in I thought, “He’s engaging and this is the stuff of cults. He is creating rules to live a life of grace”. Obviously, he was doing much worse but even as a new believer that was obvious. .
In the 80s, after listening to a white evangelical anthropologist tear a group students to shreds about the fact they were while-anglo-saxon protestants, I had an epiphany. If I spoke up, she was stuck cause obviously, I don’t fall in that category. (Given my encounters with border patrol, surname questions, and trouble obtaining a passport, it was nice to have some perk). So I pointed out that perhaps even outside the US people were discerning enough to recognize character. Suggesting otherwise was insulting to non-Americans The teacher was upset. The class and other nonwhites less so.
Five years as a missionary, I was translating for the sake of a German anthropologist who interview a local woman named Jeni. She smiled constantly as she told me, quite accurately, the conclusions he was seeking to reach. She then told me to tell the guy she would cook for him. She smiled and as we were friends, I asked if she was sure. She kept smiling at home and said “This guy thinks I’m a Christian because of missionaries. He thinks people like me are unable to make our decisions or experience Jesus. Tell him I will cook for him”. She knew her mind, so I did as instructed. Though she blew his thesis out of the water, he ultimately explored and believed in Christ. The truth is a person not a culture which is why Jesus so upset the future of His human days. Why does it shock people that He still does?
We are victims. I am a victim by choice if I let stereotypes about my ethnicity or disability or profession define me. Let Jesus define us.
Deconstructing is OK if we are removing the trash that is not the gospel. But Jesus does and always shall deserve not to be wounded by our anger over hurts we have suffered. None of us has cornered the market on human pain, but we all have the need of the grace no matter where we were born or the level of pigmentation in our skin or the amount of fat beneath our eyes or the texture of our hair. Nor even if we can’t walk.
Forgive the typos. Sight is going too. Age does that. Jesus upset the culture of His day. He upsets the culture of today. Confusing Jesus and whiteness and Bill Gothard is …well a choice.
We are NOT victims. We can play victims. I am the ‘victim’ of a hit and run if I choose to be. But I choose not to be. I choose to be as free as the Son of God sets me.
Ngina,
Thank you so much for this perspective. I am a US born white woman who married a Peruvian born and raised man. We have lived for 25 years in Ecuador serving in an Ecuadorian national church begun by American missionaries who were steeped in the Gothard mindset. I, too, was raised in the Gothard world, albeit not nearly as strict, but the mindset was there. I felt nauseous watching SHP and wondering what damage we have brought (and moreso the missionaries before us) to our church. I have long been open to how racism plays out as I have seen it firsthand towards my husband and many Hispanic friends. I do believe that we strove to live out our faith in respect to the Ecuadorian culture, and your example about being from different planets really makes sense to me.
I have much more I could say, but I will finish by saying thank you again, and I will be sharing your article with multiple friends who desire to grow in areas concerning whiteness, racism and deconstruction.
Sarah, your comment is such a blessing to me (many of the comments have been really) But I love hearing from growth-oriented missionaries, their honesty, tenderness and humility is something I treasure. It is healing. Many missionaries/missionary sending churches/Christians still kinda worship the ground missionaries walk on, so it often feels like I’m speaking to the wind. But then I get an email or comment like yours and it’s just affirming. It’s hard for people to explore how harm has been done in the mission field. Let alone accept and explore the entrenched racism and whiteness in Christianity. Thank you for sharing with your friends and for bearing witnesss.
Thank you so much for sharing from your heart and perspective, Ngina. I noticed some of these racial aspects in the documentary (I’ve only seen two episodes so far also), but they really needed to brought out more. I’m on a continual journey of both deconstructing my IBLP-influenced (though we weren’t too far “in”) growing up AND learning about racial justice and healing from diverse perspectives. We need to have these conversations. Thank you also for the list of people to follow–many I already do, but others were new to me. Blessings and grace to you.
Kiersti,you speak healing words. Thank you for bearing witness, unlearning and learning racial justice and healing.
Thank you for a very fabulous article! I’m a Jesus girl…He made me “white” but most of the best Jesus people I’ve learned from the past 3 years have been African American! Isn’t that great?! :o) Here’s the ones I can remember…
RC Blakes, Jr.
Patrick Weaver
Shannon Wells
Eric Maison
Candace Owens
Teaira Taylor
Maria Deborah Michael
Ann Wanjiku
Deborah T Iluyemi
Ron Toliver
many many YouTubers…can’t recall all their names but there’s a boatload!
Thanks again for the article! Be blessed! :o)
Thank you so much for sharing your perspective. Your thoughts and feelings are much needed in the conversation around evangelicalism and it’s roots. But I know that it also costs something to share.
Missionaries did so much damage. I always expected to be a missionary, but as I’ve begun deconstructing my faith, felt uneasy about it. Hearing what you have to say about evangelicalism and missionaries shows me the reasons for that uneasiness. I am so sorry for all the harm done for the sake of whiteness.
Learning to be anti-racist and decolonize our faith is something me and my fellow white people need to do. Thank you for you labor and vulnerability. Grieving with you and praying and working for a church that celebrates the divine diversity of Jesus’ body.
Everything you’ve said. Thank you for bearing witness.
Thank you so very much for addressing this from a black perspective. It has shown me how deeply invasive the white culture has been around the world to people who have very different cultures….not in a good way. I’m starting to understand the anger towards us now, and it is surely justified. While I am not racist I now see how that is not enough. I’m looking forward to seeing where God will take this new understanding. It is no longer something to be ignored because that would take wilful ignorance and I am not willing to continue in ignorance now that you’ve opened my eyes. Thank you.
I’m so glad the post has contributed to deepening your understanding in this area. Thank you for leaving a comment to let me know that. I think you’ll enjoy “How to Be an Antiracist” by Ibram X. Kendi, one of the people I’ve mentioned in the recommendations as people to follow. I haven’t read the book yet, (working through a stack of books) but its on my to-read and is highly highly recommended by many.